Who am I?

I am a Pakistani Atheist; an ex-Muslim in Pakistan. I was born and raised here and hail from a fairly devout Muslim family. Like all Atheists in Pakistan – I am a closet Atheist in that most people do not know that I do not hold belief in God. Pakistan – a nation with 95% of the population being Muslim – is an indescribably intolerant place to be for a non-Muslim – and especially so for an Atheist. Dangers of coming out with one’s lack of belief range from ridicule to death threats to actually getting murdered!

I’m well-educated and fairly well-read; my interests include philosophy, international relations, photography and poetry.


252 thoughts on “Who am I?

  1. Hi,

    I googled pakistani atheist just to see if there is anyone out there who feel the same as I do and is from a Pakistani background. I guess I would feel the same if there was no pakistani who shared my views, I can’t help the way I feel and I know it would be easier if I didn’t hold the views I do.
    I just want to salute you, I am immensely awed by someone who is willing to speak out when it is easier to just hold your own counsel.
    I just think it’s incredible to have been brought up in Pakistan and to not be so indoctrinated that you can’t even think freely.

    Take Care


      • Lots of things, Firstly god is an imaginary being. There is not a single proof validating that such an all supreme creature ever existed. I haven’t seen, smelled, tasted, touched, or ever heard god. Since we have only 5 senses then this being definitely isn’t real. So the obvious conclusion is that God is an idea and you can basically think of any idea and start believing in it.

      • Mr. Ahmad:
        If you think Allah is only an idea, have you ever seen pain? who created you? Who created this earth? who created stars, sun and everything you see around? What is your belief about all this?????

    • hi guy i m an ex-muslim in pakistan. i thought that i was the only of my knd in pakistan..i m feeling great to know that some people are free thinkers like me in pakistan.. and it is very difficult in pakistan to think free, everyone is poisned by religion.. anyway nice to meet you guys..

      • Shahzad, I sure there many more in pakistan who learnt at some point in thier lives how to use thier brains and realized there is no such thing as a religious God. It is absolutely sad and ridiculous at the same time that people believe Quran is an ultimate guide for humanity to live by, a book written 1500 years ago which in turn is partly based on books written 100s of years even before that.

      • very nyc to c you guyz, if we have enough freedom to disclose our contacts,our real names, we are slaves of these religious cowards

      • You are right. I also thought that I am the only one in Pakistan who do not believe in religion. But glad to see that there are many others like me. Since it is really difficult to think and talk freely in Pakistan, I always pretend to be muslim. I need some true friends like me with whom I can share my feelings.

    • In contrast to your situation, I was born and raised in a south European country. I’m an engineer with an interest in astronomy. I am a member of a small family whose all other member are Christian, but open-minded. Early in my teens, I discarded all faith in god, and developed a disgust in organized religion, any organized religion. I realized that religion is only business, has always been so and is preying on the weak. I wanted to point out that even in the western world it is difficult to state openly that one is a non-believer. In my country of origin it is worse to say that you are an atheist than it is to say i.e. a radical islamist militant. I was forced to attend religion classes in school, I was graded on the subject, forced to go to school church attendances. I am forced to attend every major christian holiday because denial to do so would surely not have an impact on me juridically, but socially. I was socially forced to do a christian wedding even if already married with a civil one. My child will be baptized a christian against my will, but I cannot express openly my ideas. I feel oppressed in the West, like you do in the East. I’m confident that my children will someday understand why I had them baptized as Christians even if I was not obliged to do so by Law. I only hope that someday in the future the notion of being an atheist will be more widely accepted.

    • @ahmed:
      Take an exaample of Blood,
      you cant smeel it, you cant hear its sound when its flowing through your veins, you cant taste it, you cant see it, neither can you touch it. Still it exist and you cant live without it, they are five senses and what else you need, Similarly God exist but you cant see, touch, feel, hear him. Is it enough?

    • HI,
      i m also atheist i m feeling so good now……… that so many others are also living in Pakistan i am from Karachi…..
      i Dont know what to write more….. i was just searching some atheist from Pak …………..(Thank NONE :))i ve found some……..
      Invincible……….. Voiceofevita@yahoo.com

    • A fellow Pakistani athiest here. Was just searching around to see how many out there are like me 🙂 heh.

      Family’s been pushing me to get married soon and there is no way I’m going to marry 95% of the ladies who are muslims (and tend to become devout muslims pushing opinions after marriage).

      Hmm, there is some forum/support site for Pakistani athiests, can’t seem to find it right now.

      Anyway, over and out.

    • Azra…great choice. You are not alone in your country and elsewhere. Be free to think and do whatever you may please but in your country you have to be extremely careful or else your days would be numbered. Many beliefs are only imaginary, just in order to control man. See, man does not follow God’s laws and man has to make stacks of their own to control and rein in man. Just think of what the world is going through.

    • I am also an Atheist. I disbelief islam & any other religion. Please contact me at
      iffi140 at yahoo dot(.) com


    • You truly have that you have found the truth, haven’t you?

      You are lost within yourself and shaitan has driven you off the road of redemption and salvation. This is a fight which you will have to win within yourself, truly you have become lost.

      Modern day scientist believe that science and religion do not corelate. Simply they are driving the ideas and theorys of science with Christianity only. They do not compare any ideas such as evolution, quantam theory and the big bang with Islam and the Quran.

      I am not going to spoon feed you to correct your coruppted ideas. It is evident that you haven’t conducted any research about your beliefs and ideas. You have lost your path and shaitan has taken the benefit of this.

      Please refer to speed of light quran to answer and strengthen your faith.

      May Allah guide you back to the right path. May shaitan be so afraid of the Imaan you posses, that he becomes scared of you and accepts his failure. There is no God but Allah and Mohammad P.B.U.H is his messenger.


  2. More power to you. I’m a fellow Pakistani atheist – I have a blogroll for other apostates and I hope you will have no objection to me adding you to it.

    Best wishes.

  3. Dear athiest
    I am also pakistani and born with same situation like you ,though i dont share any of your interest and hobbies but iam sure proud to be athiest today.I fully empthies with you and your situation it is hard and difficult for aperson of your calibre to be in pakistan best luck .I love soccer and business
    good bye,

  4. Dear Bro,

    I really support you. I am also an Atheist living in the Maldives where we have 100% muslims. But we are better than Pakistan in terms of tolerance. You can’t still trust what is going on here now. Unlike before we are facing the threat from radicals trained in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and I just want to get rid off this. On the other hand, we are having political problems and we are not able to fight against radical Islam.

    Be in touch and let me know whether we can meet soon or not.


    Mohamed Shahid

  5. I am like you, well read, sufficiently aged, rather at the end of life. But all my religious, and scientific reading since the age of 15 has destroyed my faith. I believe in an intelligent power, but not in that kind of God which is portrayed by Islam, christianity and judaism.
    Well to be lonely is the punishment for being different than the crowd.

  6. Hello! I’m an atheist as well, and, thankfully, I do not live in Pakistan, although I do have Pakistani roots. Inshallah Pakistan will be secularized 😉 .

      • why are you thanking God when u dont believe in Him? and there is a general question for my knowledge to all atheists, what are those reasons that made you to leave ur religion? and also tell me what according to you is purpose of this universe , life on earth, some people being rich and others being poor… y is this, who is controlling this all? thanks

    • u said u are an atheist……but u also said that INSHALLAH pak will be secularized……………u know what u people have no demarcations and u all r drowning inthe mire of atheism….jus ans my one qustion if u r an atheist then y u said the word INSHALLAH ….do u have any ans for this querry

      • Yeah… I got one for ufq… He was Practicing Irony or say Touching the boots of humor by saying Inshallah. Dig it gent or doll.

      • What part of Saim’s winking smiley (;)) did you not understand ufq? He was obviously being sarcastic..lol!

      • Sorry for interrupting in between but being an Atheist I would like to present my viewpoint. Most Atheists live between religious groups and they develop a habit to take some words that are commonly used to describe good and bad, and may be thats why he used the word. You may sometime see Atheist saying ‘Oh my God; it is not that they believe in God but means they are shocked to see/hear something.


      • I said ‘inshallah’ because I was using a little bit of Urdu to establish my Pakistaniness. “Inshallah” for me is just as secular as the word “hopefully”. It’s just a part of language. I’m not going to decry our religious heritage (I can find mosques beautiful, for example) because I don’t belief in the supernatural.

    • Alhamdulillah I am proud to be a muslim, Well I say that when Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala takes one’s wisdom and leaves him astray so an atheist borns. Wish you could know the worlds superior and best relgion i.e. Islam. You are all pittyful. Alas! you will die being atheist and will becoming the fuel of hell.

    • Hi every one.. I am muslim turned Atheist… I don’t believe in marriage also.. M straight but I support gay ism and lesbians… I believe religion is biggest sin on earth .. History tells us that religion is biggest stimulate of war at all time, thats way I hate it.. I am writer also , I have wrote a book but I cant publish it.. I wil try my best to free this world from religious bullshit

  7. i send you a messsage lately in which i wrote a name ,, XXXXXX, please dont publish it. i hope you wont let me down.

  8. Hi,

    I am an Indian living in the U.S. with plans to go back to India next year. I am very glad to have found you, and here’s why:
    I am starting a multi-contributor blog/ e-zine with atheists, free-thinkers, skeptics from all over the subcontinent. I have already put together a team of writers but we are lacking a Pakistani atheist on our team.
    Please email me if you are interested and I will send you more information.
    Looking forward to hearing from you!


    • Count me in. I am not living in Pakistan but my parents are from Pakistan. I like to work with you to promote Atheism. Here is my email shermalick gmail

  9. Congratulations! To be a free-thinker in a country like that is no easy task. While I’m sure there are other free-thinkers in Pakistan, just about all of them are closeted too. Hopefully, Pakistan will soon become a place where murderous religious hate is no longer tolerated. As a fellow atheist, I’m with you.

  10. i am also ex muslim now atheist from pakistan
    check my testimony in faithfreedom.org in leaving islam segment
    nice to see you’hope that you may contact me via mail
    with best wishes

  11. hi i wants to congratulate you for what an awesome website you have here & i really liked your work. just like you i was a closet atheist too until this summer so far only people i could dare tell is my wife & some of my siblings but due to fear of getting behead i would rather keep my believe to my self but i will always admire man & woman like you who actually dare to share their thoughts to other. good work

  12. I admire your free thinking attitude. I realize that the USA is quite different than Pakistan, but to be openly atheist here is considered suspect. I live in a relatively conservative city where churches are everywhere and growing. I think atheists are distrusted everywhere, with some places obviously being less tolerant than others.

    • i find this amazing, and very sad…here in the uk christians are pretty much viewed as crackpots, although they exist, and churches are being turned into flats and restaurants or just knocked down.

  13. Well………..

    I am Atheist too, but I am not pakistani [:(]

    I shout out loud here that I am atheist. I guess atleast 30% of Indians are atheist, or they are skeptically athesit. I mean they bow their heads in frony of every temple, mosque, gurudwara and church, they say people go there, so respect those people. yet they dont believe in any god, and obviously not in any system of theocracy, may be that is the reason the Hindu fundamentalists never got hold of power in India.

    Not that there is no religious fundamentalism, it is, but not to those heights. I can shout I am atheist, I can debate, I know many who are atheist, I can many a times make my parents agree that atheism is better.

    And people trust me, they listen me too.

    Anyways, I read and then reported something about pakistan here.

    An interesting story from pakistan

    • y u think that atheism is beter dude don u know about 80% of population of the whole world believe in ONE GOD.. they all are wrong n only u few peoples think u r right u all r damn idiots

  14. Hello from a fellow Pakistani atheist. Don’t lose heart my friend. There’s quite a few of us and hopefully in time we will convince others that religion is over. I would definitely like to get that blogroll thing going.

  15. a standing ovation to you on your initiative.

    i mean, i’ve been thinking of googling “pakistani atheist” for like ages, but always thought what’s the point?!

    glad to have found this site.

      • Mandeep Ji, Equally happy to see a sikh because I know quite a few really committed to their religion and baggage that comes with it. I am a ex_Muslim atheist from the great land of Puajab.

  16. I very much respect that you decided to think for yourself and had the courage to believe in what you think is right in such a restrictive society.

  17. Wow! I am humbled by the number of fellow closet Pakistani Atheist out there. I am lucky enough to be living outside Pakistan where the environment around me is not suffocating. I am married to a highly educated practicising female Muslim who is deeply suspicious of my faith in Islam or lack therof. My kids are being raised as Muslims for now as it ensures peace in my home and less friction between me and my wife. My reasoning is that if I could break the shackles after becoming and adult, they will easily do the same. Cheers to all the free thinking souls out there especailly to the ones from my dear motherland of Pakistan.

  18. WOW! Mr. Atheist! I live in Philadelphia, PA, the birthplace of the founding, and governing documents, of the United States of America. We are gladly, not a theocracy. I feel free enough here to wear a “Militant Atheist: There Is NO god damn, god damn it!” to work. I feel no danger of being killed, or physically harmed, for expressing my disbelief in any religiously, and intellectually, subjugating dogma. Please be strong my friend! And let me know if you are able to visit the United States! Freedom, progress, and great joy, depend on intelligent opposition to subjugating theism!

    • hi, i m living in a hellish, hypocrite and brutal
      fundamentalist society. i want to live in accordance with my conscience
      and want to live in a society which has freedom and human rights.
      …asylum rules perhaps give shelter only to those who have escaped a
      murder attempt, not to those whose life is already like a living death
      due to mental isolation. and there are people who take people like me
      as economic migrants. i am not badly off here and i can promise that i
      can work as a volunteer without any salary if i m given a chance to
      live in a society where basic rights are protected and ppl are free to
      profess wt they actually feel. i would like to know if atheists can expect
      shelter anywhere .

  19. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan, this is Pakistan’s official name since declaring its independence in 1956, has lead a religious fight to oppress legitimate criticism of religion. I am glad that no “binding” resolution has yet to pass. The resolution that passed on Thursday, in the United Nations is “non-binding. ” This still triggers feelings of concern, in me, for all of the people who are under the control of theocratic governments.

    Any feeling of freedom, and joy, that i feel in this country, is diminished by the thought of so many other individuals, being under the tyrannical control of religious states.

    I want to see more said, and done, to show the needed disrespect for organized religious control. Thursday’s U.N. resolution, on the flipped-out side, is clearly for continued unchallenged religious defamation of the individual, individual rights, and individuality. Freedom does depend on freethinkers! Thoughts? Response?

    Best wishes and efforts, Scotty

  20. I love this site and your blog. Keep it up and don’t give in. I’m a Pakistani-Canadian writer – you can check out some of my stuff by clicking on my name.

    The only way to counter the threat to rationalists is by strength in numbers and peaceful, rational discourse. What you’re doing here is courageous.

  21. 28 year old entrepreneur ex muslim. Doing my part in ‘speaking out’. However that helps :). However I do realize that if you REALLY publicly speak out we all would be lined up and murdered by true muslims- since that is what religion is all about. Other religions and specially Atheism cannot be permitted by any religion since it loosens the control on the people (slaves).

    I do have to admin that living in a religious state as an Atheist is tough business. I see the evil of religion corrupting every single man’s brain and line of thought. I have started to blame the way they think, they act ALL on religion. Dont know if others share this view but thats the hard line I have developed over the years.

    • Hang in there F Khan and keep it water-tight inside you. Most of our fellow Pakistani are brainwashed to the max and can not tolerate any deviation from their way of life. I fear for the safety of all Paksitani atheist in the Islamic Republic. I see many different murderous manisfestations of evil masquerading as righteousness around myself. These people are bent on hastening the inevitable destruction of the world by a mad God. Maintain a low profile, live, thrive, and prosper but dont say a word against religion. Cheers.

  22. It is definitely much easier to be atheist and Indian. The only thing I don’t like about being atheist, is that I don’t get any attention from my fellow Indians. For them it is not a big deal. “Atheist, ok, who cares, big deal.” However for Sikhs it could be a big deal and no doubt there is Hindu fundamentalism in India.

  23. “If, as you believe, there is an almighty, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent God-who created the earth or world, please let me know why did he create it ? This world of woes and miseries, a veritable, eternal combination of numberless tragedies: Not a single soul being perfectly satisfied” – Bhagat Singh

  24. I am a Pakistani atheist living in Canada. I am glad that I found this site and would love to know if any other Pakistani atheists around Toronto, Canada.

  25. I’m an Indian (NRI) Atheist (used to be Muslim). I’m still in school, living with my parents and in the closet.

    I don’t live in a Muslim country, and yet sometimes I go crazy from listening to my mother’s obsession with Islam. On a daily basis, I have to listen to her rant and rave about how Islam and excessive prayer will make our lives perfect. It is so frustrating having to constantly bite my tongue and stop myself from outing myself by pointing out the stupidity of her statements. (I just had to deal with one of these episodes a while ago, googled and found this blog.)

    So anyway, kudos to you for having to deal with this madness everywhere you turn in a country like Pakistan. (Why not move?)

    Also, I’m really glad that folks like you starting blogs like this. Before I left Islam about 2 years ago, I did not know that leaving Islam was an option. I just did not know of any apostates, and so could not examine their reasons for leaving. Hopefully, someone somewhere will question their beliefs because of your blog 🙂

  26. in pakistan thr s large circle of atheists but due to religious state they do nt xpose them,..even there is huge scale of researching literature which reflects strong atheistic progressive thoughts….in history of muslims there are many famous scholars who were unbeliever in their last age and died as an atheist….

    • dear hafeez i do agree with you that there many pakistania who are atheists, but they can not express themselves due to the threats from the fundamentalists.i was also born as a pakistani muslim but now i am an atheist.

  27. Glad to have found fellow atheists who more or less come from my corner of the world.
    We may not have the numbers but the potential is there. I feel you all and being closet atheist myself, I couldn’t have found a better and safer platform than the internet.
    Keep it up

  28. I think specially in background of pakistan it is very important to maintain a website in urdu. bcos lot of pakistani atheists like me can’t express their expressions in english. so i wish if the same modirator or someone else start a website in roman or urdu font base website.
    I hope my request will work.

  29. One who can see will only appreciate the light. Pakistani society has gone under regress under Zia and is still to recover. When I met a free soul, I knew there are many in Pakistani society. It was like finding the courage to speak freely about your own truths. I have found athiest, always well read, analytical, truthful, friendly, humanly, passionate and open minded. What else is required from a human being? Thank you all for being there.

    • Zahid…actually there are millions of Pakistani who would like to be left alone as non believers but they fear for their and loved one’s lives. The people in Pakistan, esp the believers are very cruel, revengeful and vengeance seeking and have jealousy flowing from their veins. I am an outsider but had about 6 years during my dad’s stay there. One thing I learned was: NEVER do business with Mid-Easterners, Pakistanis, even with a LC or any other Bank guarantees.

  30. I am not an advocate of religion but believe me none of you guys are wise enough to proclaim atheism to be a right idea. I see same words arranged differently, all the same. Irrational imbeciles.

  31. Great to see atheists in Pakistan finally comming out. I am a former Christian, now atheist from India. thankfully unlike in Pakistan I don’t need to fear my life for professing my belief or rather unbelief in these supersitious man made systems.
    However there is still a certain level of social stigma attached to being a Atheist even in India. Thankfully the majority population in India is Hindu who don’t either ways give a fuck about whether you believe in god or not and so I don’t really get pestered by people.
    Ofcourse coming from an Evangelical background I do have to suffer regular flank from my family and especially my brother who is a pastor. I feel that people of Abhrahmic faiths are a bit too concerned about your belief in God and the need to see others getting saved.

  32. Congratulations! I am an ex-muslim from India. Fortunately I openly profess my lack of faith in god without worrying too much. I admire your courage and I wish you good luck in whatever you do and pursue.


  33. I am a Muslim by choice, and it doesn’t behove a free thinking. human being to deny the existence of Almighty God. and the message of the Last Prophet. Truly apalling,

    With worry & concern for your akhirah.

  34. I am a skeptic, living in quetta pakistan, i dont know what to say other then Now i know that i am not alone.

    is their any atheist community of pakistan ?

    • i am also an atheist from balochistan. i guess, i have been practising atheism when i was twelve years old. i am now contended that i am not alone, i have like minded people around me. so far as my knowledge is concerned i guess there is no such pakistani based etheist community. there are so many of us, but they are reluctant to come forward due to the threat from the extremist religious forces. this is really a brilliant idea to form an atheist community in pakistan. let us all discuss about forming an atheist club where could meet and discuss.

      • I will strongly suggest not to go that far in the land of the pure. Cyber/virtual contact is a sufficient moral support.

    • Hi,

      I was also atheist…I belong to moderate religious family with little religious knowledge.

      How i become atheist ???

      I questioned to several intellectual that,
      1) Why there is God ? 2) Who created God ? What is problem to believe this universe as abinitio creation ? Why only one God ? Authencity of Prophets and Books ?
      Every one took me as abnormal case and cant give me satisfactory answer..
      My life was full of discontentment. I remembered the day very well when my young brother died at the age of 25 due to heart attack and i was with this view what for i weep…take the body and put him under the soil… I offered prayer but just for public…Even after his burial i went to his grave after 25 days.
      I did all sort of sins that you can imagine because i was with the view that there will be no retaliation for me… But suddenly i got bore from my objective less life… i decided to search for reality…. And now Alhamdu Lillah i am believer with full contentment.
      I can understand the life of atheist better than other because i had been among him/her.
      So i shall welcome any body’s question about my ” Journey from Atheism to God”

  35. dear fellows,
    oscar wilde is very right to say that ideaes are dangerous thing. in the ugly industry of extremism, free thinking is not free now. when any body declare him or her as athiest. then i things problem of life still remanis unsolved. fear of death and fear of unknown also keep running as any other one. then what is change to be athiest. if any athiest can claim that when he adopt athiest life style , then he also become master of his fate. no, never, nothing change occured in his real life.
    people thing without god concept they are free. but are they really free????

    • you misunderstand – all ‘atheist’ means is one who does not believe in a god….that is all. it does not mean we know anything more – we cannot know everything because no one does. yes it feels very free to be able to say ‘ that god stuff is a load of rubbish – now let me just get on with my life….’

  36. So many atheist Pakistanis?
    The same style in english by all of them! Wow!
    I know most of them are not so good in english at all.
    I suspect the blogger of duplicating himself. kidding? no sir.

  37. The blogger has good english in all the comments.
    Average Pakistanis are very poor in English.
    atheists from Pakistan? are you kidding.

    • And your point. that does not stop you from expressing your views. besides, it is not so many Atheist, it is just a few. I am sure theer are a lot of them out there in Pakistan who can not speak English.

  38. @saim if u r a an atheist then why u said INSHALLAH pak will b secularized….u people have no demarcations……..u dun believe in Allah but u said inshAllah….do u have ans for that

  39. HI another ex-muslim athiest here from Hyderabad.. I’m also well read, have good standing in scientific knowledge in 20s. But i’m very much vocal and debate alot, since I believe I have right to express myself. I wish someday blasphemy law could be scrapped off.

  40. Hello,
    I am a Pakistani atheist now living abroad. My brother is much better atheist than me 🙂
    Pakistan was not meant to be the “thing” and the state that it has become now. She is just a volcano. Her founder wanted it to be a much better state in terms of behavior, tolerance and religious values.
    And now see what religion has done to my country….

  41. what is wrong with soo many people, i live in dubai and hav a lot of knowledge about Islam, i am a Muslim because i fear and love god, and just can NOT bear the thought of just.. dying and not existing anymore. u people dont have any right to exist. how can deny the one who created u, do u believe humans evolved from monkeys? u must be mad

    • You just said you cannot bear the though of just dying and not existing anymore. I think the hardest part of atheism for me was dealing with the finality of death. But you know what? That makes life all that much more beautiful and majestic! It also made life less “unknown” and mysterious and uncontrollable – all the things religions make it to be. I feel intellectually much freer and MUCH happier 🙂 And I’m proud to say I think with my head!

      • And by the way, we have the right not to be confined by archaic and unfair rules and superstitions. And we absolutely have the right to exist and be happy and to love and be loved… Like all human beings.

    • you need to to a lot more studying, and be consoled – if you die and theres no afterlife then youll know nothing about it…it wont hurt because you wont exist!the thing to remember with evolution is that there is overwhelming evidence for it and the people who argue against it are the ones who understand it least…it all happens over millions and millions of years.

    • “i am a Muslim because i fear and love god, and just can NOT bear the thought of just.. dying and not existing anymore. u people dont have any right to exist”.

      And you believe that Noah took a pair of ALL THE ANIMALS in the world and made an ark and then repopulated the earth with them. You also believe that Moses used a stick to PART THE RED SEA . And also that Adam made hawa from his RIB CAGE ?? Dude if you are a Muslim because you cannot imagine life without God, that’s a pretty weak reason to believe in god of Islam ,why don’t you believe in the God of Buddha ?? Labeling stuff we don’t know about as the work of God is quite frankly very ignorant and that has kept us down as a race or nation
      And the part about us us not having a right to exist just proves how hateful religious people actually are.

  42. Oh my god, I just googled “Pakistani atheists” and found this website. I salute you website-creator. I’m also a ‘closet’ atheist living in Pakistan. It’s so good to see so many fellow Pakistani atheists! I was able to refute Islam at the age of 16. As soon as I can get out of Pakistan, I’ll declare my disbelief, and devote my life in spreading rationality.

  43. By my estimate some 30% of the people in pakistan are also closet athiests in some form. Well not entirely athiests, but atleast they are deists. Since there is a law for killing apostates, hence most of them remain closet athiests.

    I remember my university days, when almost all my friends were athiests.

    Most muslims in Pakistan, also do not believe in Islam in its entirety. The unpopularity of sharia and religious parties is an example. Most pakistanis are against islamic punishments.

  44. Scotty, some corrections: Pakistan got independence in 1947 and the name “Islamic Republic of Pakistan” was given in the 1973 constitution. Before that it was plain Pakistan.

  45. Another Pakistani Atheist here,
    I started waking upto the blatant flaws of Islam at 16, I’m now 18 and somewhat a militant atheist (cant help myself), In all honesty I cant understand why someone would believe in some “higher-being”anyway,is a poor theory for creation, It doesn’t really answer the question, but pushes it back.

    “There must be a thing that created the universe, so we call it God”.
    But what created God?

    The idea of God is a cop out. It’s finding an illogical reason to satisfy your desire for an answer without having to put real thought into it.

    By imagining a being that is creation itself, a being that creates everything but that has never needed to be created, you’re just running away from the question – you’re just personifying ‘creation’. You’ve not answered the question at all, you’ve just avoided it.

    You’ve invented a concept (which reality does not necessitate) in order to answer questions like these….We are perfectly right to look for logical answers… Yet the argument for God is that He is too majestic for our logic to grasp. Yet this itself is attempting to be a logical argument.

    You’ll notice that, when it comes to human thought and argument, there is only logic. And God is a logical fallacy…
    As to the question of how we came into existence, that is more than speculation. Just look to evolutionary biology. It’s all there, and it’s all logical. Everything can be demonstrated to be true, everything can be shown. There are no imagined ideas or personifications that allow us to avoid the real question.
    I hate when someone tells me “God did it”, with that mentality we wouldn’t have progressed past the primitive era, I know at-least 7 open Pakistani Atheists and I know as a 100% fact there’s many more closet Atheists as I look back at Pakistan in the 60’s and 70’s etc I see an open-minded Pakistan, people weren’t afraid to support the Communist Party for example, It was edging towards modernization, I don’t understand what happens,
    Anyway that’s all I wish to say, just wanted to drop by and say hello.

    • “There must be a thing that created the universe, so we call it God”.
      But what created God?

      The falasy of the question is you are thinking in dual terms. God and the universe. If you dont beleive in dualism it is a fairly easy answer. Where you can say “I am god”. If I exist them God exist. See: Advaita Vedanta

    • For an 18 year old, you are not doing bad at all :). Just a word of caution though, do not be so arrogant in your beliefs. I do not hold my ancestors as stupid people with overactive imagination. Whether they imagined it all or something caused them to document what they witnessed in their scriptures we just can’t answer right now. The omnipotent God doesn’t exist, and we both know it. However, when atheists start being too arrogant in their belief system, it starts looking like another religion, just without a God to worship. So be careful! Don’t be impatient, intolerant, and always be kind towards others. Always keep your mind open and look at things from all perspectives. Only then we can be the best human beings (and perhaps evolve into better functioning species someday) 😉

    • becouse you guys have limited mind (Allah is unlimited) you cannot even create a bee and you are going to prove that god dont exists? you guys are ignorant. Allah made “time” he controls it. your age is 60 years max lol at you all. you guys are just like a Tarzan in a jungle who dont believe that ploto exists becouse he cannot se it.

    • hussain niazi what a name ? pls change your name after become a free thinker it doesn’t suit you now who was HUSSAIN? he was a Prophet S.A.W.W grand son who sacrificed him self with his nearest n dearst for GOD for Allah so pls change your name i think ” Dahria Niazai: is perfect for you

    • oh well, enlightened enough not to believe in God but caught up in the controversy of evolution…
      Dear person, you have never seen God… but believe me, you have never seen evolution happening either… and you believe in that?
      Study molecular biology.. go to national center for biotechnology information, read Molecular Biology of the Cell by Alberts Bruce… oh well, he may mention evolution here and there, but if you are logical enough, you will see that intricate “network” within cells, DNA duplication, and metabolic systems cannot be the result of CHANCE…they are all happening all together and if you find out which component came first, let me know..
      and, yes, i would like to hear the blatant flaws of Islam that you realized but millions didn’t…

    • u people are pathetic…..just give think about these questions…
      *why islam,christianity and judaism have same roots and relation,even though these are separate religions of different people…
      *why human beings have ability to think ,reason,understand and most importantly feel why we r not like animals….if one is hurt badly who is there who give him justice …if he dont finds justice in this world…..just think about a raped girl?????why should she would live her life in misery????the same question is there why was she was not an animal having no emotions??????
      just study islam in its depth…one religion truly natural and giving u the best way to live life….islamic countries have least crime rate…search yemen….u will definitely see thats a religion truly based on human phychology to make heaven on earth ….BELIEVE ME JUST STUDY ISLAM

    • Do u mean that air and the temperatures are all imaginary as we cant see these. First you tell me the answer that if air exists in the world then why we cant see it?

  46. All the game of religions is on fake battleship and if you have sense to tolerate such wicked generating things and theories you are going to live in Mud:

  47. Dear Pakistani Atheists, i am very sad about the flood catastrophe in Your Country. But even so i am shocked about some comments in german forums were some people said, they would not spend for Pakistan, because they fear the money will support the taliban and the islamic atombomb. So i google and i am glad to find You! It is important to let the world know that You exist! How could people help in the best way? Thanks and best wishes!

  48. Hey man, I’m american pakistani my parnets raise me muslim, but growing older I just don’t beileve their is god. It’s so hard trying to fake my true beilves I dont know how my parnets would take it if I told them. I just wanted to say thanks!

  49. hello im atheist born muslim. opened eyes about truth around 14. its all crap non sense stories. we dont need it anymore. perhaps it was needed in old days when there was no police or law. its obsolete now and we people live in an technlogical age. these muslim people should really get over it !!!!

    muqeeti @hotmail.com
    i live in ireland now.

  50. Firstly, enormous respect to every atheist who remains true to reason even whilst living in extremely difficult circumstances.
    I am a British journalist. I have worked extensively in the Middle East and Central Asia (but never Pakistan), and have a number of ex-Muslim friends, particularly in Palestine.
    I would very much like to enter into dialogue with some Pakistani atheists, with a view to possibly producing some media content on what I believe is a fascinating issue.
    I have worked on some very sensitive, well-known stories, and can assure you that I am extremely discreet. I guarantee that I will not put into the public domain any personal information or details that will identify any individual without their full consent. I would be happy enter into anonymous correspondence.
    Please email me at thomashansen80@gmail.com (please note that in the interests of security, the full name attached to this email is a pseudonym).
    With respect and best wishes,

  51. I am 23 and this is my first confession. i just got the courage after reading u all. as i am losing my faith, somehow i still want God to fight for me (which seems unlikely).

    As Hyder has earlier said, “all my religious and scientific readings have destroyed my faith.” same is the case here. I do not doubt human potential, yet i have realized there is nothing out there for us, if we lose faith.

    you all are right to say that no one can prove existence of God, however i believe that non of us can either prove his non-existence. As Richard Dawkins said that one can not be assure if really God exists or not.

    i m indifferent about God. i believe in science, psychology and astronomy. all compliment non-existence of supreme being. yet i have a long road ahead.

    i want to leave my comment incomplete, as wee all are without answers ……….

  52. I would like to Quote Bertrand Russel:

    My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true. Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.

    Thais is so true.

  53. hey ppl i wanted to ask a question. I belong to a religious syed family. i started researching on atheism about a year ago. i have read dawkin’s works and other stuff. These things opened my mind but there is one thing that pulls me back. In quran and hadith there are many prophecies which are true. There are many theories related to science which have also been proved just now. Now, you can say that quran was written by man, ok…. but how did that man know so much about science and so much about the future.
    Muslims say god told him. What is an atheist’s point of view? who told Muhammad?
    By the way, im no muslim, im no atheist, im in the middle, the tip of the fence. some body help me come to the other side, the side of atheism 😀

  54. Just curious, when you say you are an ex-muslim what do you mean ?? Do you do things which is forbidden in Islam ?

    I am a hindu, but I dont follow hindu customs like non-eating Beef, going to temple etc .. but that does not make me ex-hindu.

  55. I am an Indian and live in Delhi. Interesting to know that a lot of brothers & sisters from Pakistan are atheists! I can understand & sympathize with you guys… I have a take – I think most world religions teach good things…they have been mutilated,manipulated by men…though the Koran has some very disagreeable stuff like sanction for killings…etc. Very disturbing…otherwise the social laws were very progressive for their 14th century setting…Anyways, to each his/her own…as for Pakistan it is high time the people got together did something to bring peace…Jinnah was a charismatic leader ( but narrow in thinking which contradicted his liberal upbringing and thinking..). However, Ziaul Huq, I think was the real culprit in turning Pakistan into a disagreeable place that it is these days…though the common people of Pakistan are nice, friendly…like any of us.

    All the best! I think liberal, rationalist thinking should be encouraged in Pakistan – whether it be atheist, agnostic or anything else…whether Almighty Allah/God/Ishwar exists or not is immaterial…if, we are created by him then we should all do good things, unto each other…so why fear, hate, be suspicious, kill etc. … and this state religion is definitely an evil thing…whether it be Pakistan or, Bangladesh or Gulf…state religion should be fought in an organized, peaceful manner,. I have lived and worked in 2 Muslim countries and i know how it feels when one is a foreigner or minority…quite depressing & terrifying at times…so wish u all a great times ahead to do something positive…India, Pakistan, Kashmir…Afghanistan…all need PEACE!

  56. Wow.
    Im actually surprised to see that we even have ex-muslims, what surprises more is that Pakistanis are also into this atheism thing.
    Well my name’s Azeem malik and dont think that i influenced by atheism or such.I am Muslim and will always be inshallah.
    Its funny how u guys just ignore the facts all around you.
    and what most of u guys normally argue for is Uve never seen god or his miracles , why are people in such a mess even after having a creator.
    I know why hindus become atheist , and now i also know why muslims become atheists….They were never muslims,Never understood Islam, never read the Quran.
    Look around you , the perfect manner of the solar system, look at ure self such a perfect structure.
    other questions such as “who created god” are that exceeds the limits of human minds.

  57. Good to see so many atheist in Pak. I do not have 100% believe, However I do believe in nature who itself balance the universe. Having no belief itself seems dangereous, as humans will hold no liability for their good or bad deeds, it might lead to anarchy in the society, and a kind of spritual vaccume could be more harmful. Any how we sould have alternate pillars for not believing the God or Nature.

  58. Hi Dear, We are Pakistani ex-muslims are like mutants, I belong to Pukhtoon community and living with, I often feel agoraphobia as i am stuck among those who oppose evolution and may never evolve, There are many closet Atheists, most of them are not very clear and covert back to Islam or become mystics,
    Another dilemma is that you can not retain a love relation or marry here as all the girls are fanatic, against rationality and reason.

    I am not optimistic for change but the best solution is to change geographic position where you can speak openly and boldly against the stupidity of religion.

  59. it is heartning to learn that there are athiests in pakistan.i myself is from ndia and fortunate to be able to say so openly.though this is not to suggest that we do not have our share of religious fanaticism.what i can wish is let more of your tribe grow.half of our present polititical problems will vanish if we dispel religion altogether.

  60. All, I have come accross a great book:

    Twenty Three Years: A Study of the Prophetic Career of
    Mohammad by ALI DASHTI

    Ali Dashti is an ex-mullah so what he says credible and backed up by his years of studying Islam and Islamic History. I am sure there is no hidden agenda. I highly recommend this book for all open-minded people.


  61. Interesting – How a man created out of a dirty drop of blood once raised up having availed all the priveleges and natural supports provided by God can stand rebellious and disown God , an insignificant character can stand in parallel and challenge God who is the sole creator of this earth and universe , galaxy after galaxies He created and what ever is contained in it. Could there be another example of a shamelessness and ungratefulness compared to this ?
    If the society or people have gone astray and not following a just system and guidance provided by God through no less than 124,000 prophets & messangers then who is to be blamed ? God or human being themselves who have been given the liberty and choice to follow the course of action , right or wrong and that is the test for them in this world and are accountable in the world hereafter.
    The concept that God is a creation of human mind is a complete bullshit – God is the creator not that he need to be created – I can understand the deviant groups and mushrikeens ie idol worshippers who create their own Diety to worship but it cant be expected from peole who have been given clear lights and guidance of one and only God — If any one from Muslim & peole of books background deny and defy God it means he or she really has no understanding and he or she thinks of himself or her self superior to even all the trustworthy Prophets of God including Prophet Muhammed ( sav ) , a group of most trusted and sincere people of highest moral calibre in the history of human civilization instead you start believing dubios people ?
    afala tadabbaroon ? do you ponder not ?

  62. Dear atheist fellows,
    I am also a Pakistani atheist like rest of others. I have always been in search of atheist fellows in Pakistan, but I could not get any platform where I could interact with them. I know the reasons, why we are not able to express what we are, but, now, I think, the time has arrived that we should openly express what we feel. I feel the present situation of Pakistan needs the intellectual contribution of atheist fellows. Religious extremism has reached to its heights which need to be stopped, at any cost, by engaging in intellectual discussion. Corrupt religion is further corrupting the society where we live too. I know it is not an easy task, we may have to lose our lives, but we still have to do it so that we may have a peaceful country. I have never hidden my identity and I will not. I am proud to be an atheist. Let us initiate a discussion.

  63. hello fellow atheist.. i am an atheist for about 3 years . I 1st started doubting god’s existence when i was 18 and now i am 21 . i am also a closet atheist like most of you . Internet is a death for religion and i blv that islam will collapse one day as i see debate going on between atheists and muslims on many blogs and this will definitly make them review their faith

  64. I am a Pakistani atheist as well..though im not surprised that others are out there..i used to be closet atheist but the day i openly said i was one, i found out that many people i knew were too..i guess everyone hides it here but there are quite a few..cheers!

  65. Man I am really frustrated right now, I feel that I need to come out of the closet but thats impossible we all know. We should at least get a community going over the internet, I may set up a website if no one else does it.

  66. Glad to have found your blog!

    Well luckily, I am not in Pakistan. As my husband jokingly says, I would have probably been abducted or killed for my ideology, lol. I am G from the U.S., I have been an atheist for sometime now and I am not at all shy about it. Practically, everyone knows about it and it’s just not a big deal anymore. I feel someday, it won’t be uncommon at all to find Pakistani atheists so why hide it now. I understand the threats and all if you are in Pakistan. By all means, your security should be the upmost concern. I wholeheartedly believe Pakistan is in dire need of a revolution, a revolution that frees us from the religious mindset and set the Pakistani minorities and women free (of cruelty and encouraged religious violence) The Taliban and other Islamic fundamentalist/radical parties are doing a good job of it (turning curious non-practicing muslims atheists/agnostics).

  67. hello, guys. i have set up a group on facebook called ‘atheists from pakistan’ so search that and add yourself today so that we can socialize and create this group bigger !

  68. Hi, I am from India. Glad to know that I am not alone with my thinking about existence of god. Why should I just believe something what my ancestors has told me. I want see and feel existence of god. In fact, in true life, I have seen atleast a single incident which can show existence of god. Definitely, there is something but that is beyond the capacity of our brain to understand. All humans is a species just like other animals. Why only Human species has religion??


  70. Pose yourself as GOD, you are just done creating the universe, something like 140 billion light years across (OK it took either 6 days or blink of an eye) now you decide to limit your best creation to a mere speck of a corner on one hand of one of the galaxies(out of hundreds of billions of them). You decide to send a message across in the form of a book, what would you tell them?

    Not sure if you hold all that power you would do this in the first place, you would rather not! But if you do you will make it very clear and very relevant, you will fill it with love and absolutely no hate.

    I think you already see the absurdness of the whole idea, if you still feel like sticking to calling it logical, try the following out.

    1. Do Jews really believe that Ezra was son of God(19:30)?
    2. What is Injil—bad answer if you say Bible or new testament–that’s not a book of God? Your claim you tell me!
    3. Does sun actually set in a pond that Alexander(the monotheist) visited?
    4. What is meant by the throne(Arsh) that God sits on? Surely it cannot be something that contains God?
    5. Did god miscalculate the capacity of Hell as He will have to fill it by his own foot? Does it mean God has feet and he walks, where on the sky? Don’t you think that’s rather odd?
    6.Why does Islam allow slavery?

    I am aware of more issues but will leave the list here.

  71. Hey good to see that reason exist in Islamic countries……kinda re-instils hope in humanity. Weldon guys but what is your next step as an atheistic community in Pakistan?

  72. im so pleased that you all exist!!! im an atheist from the uk and i just wanted to salute you all for being brave and amazing. shedding religious beliefs while in a very religious country or family takes a lot of guts and intelligence….hoping you all find eachother and build support. you are the hope for the future.peace

  73. hey guys
    i was thinking about looking out for athiest in pakistan from some time now but i always thought that was useless. i am really happy that i found out this and the knowledge that so many pakistanis out their believe in rational and logical reasoning is so encouraging. any one living in pakistan will definately know how diffucult it is to be an athiest in pakistan because of the level of religious intolerance. i was looking to start an atheist blog for pakistanis but i found out that there are blogs out there for this purpose. i would like an invitation to such a blog where you can exchange ideas with people. i am also giving my email adress for people all over the world and especially pakistanis who want to talk about their beliefs or the lack of them. skeptic54_7@hotmail.com i would really like to hear other people’s view on the subject.

  74. there’s no doubt that you are really impressive design education like me….i acquired right destination to check out the things i wanted…

  75. Hi fellows:
    iam also pakistani. i started searching about God a long ago but i could not found him anywhere except of ending up with some of the miraculous verses from Quran. On the one hand where i find no prove of a supreme being, on the other hand i find amazing miracles in Quran… whenever i start believing that there is no God, i get some shocking things out of Quran that proves it absolutly right and upto point. can you help me? write me in at ****** (email address removed to protect the author of the comment).

  76. I have few questions to atheists.

    1. As Religion teaches rules of morality, otherwise they don’t have any sanction behind them, what does an atheist think about homosexuality,voluntary adult incest, extra marital sex. respect to elders, kindness to children etc?

    2). Have you adopted atheism after thorough study of religion or mere lack of knowledge and doubts in your mind made you so?

    Hope you will reply me and guide me.

  77. hello friends,this is an atheist from india,in india nobody gives a damn if u r an atheist since d majority religion is hinduism wich i must say is very tolerent nd as far as i know has many atheistic schools so being atheist and hindu is absolutely fine,u can openly be an atheist nd nobody wud say anythin as far as i know if u are an atheist coming from a hindu background u wud be considered hindu since cultural aspect of hinduism is very strong,most of hinduism in india is all about celebrating diwali,holi,raksha bandhan all those festivals wich i dont think any atheists coming from a hindu background will evr hav a problem with,being atheist in india is absolutely fine nd u r considered hindu so wats thr to worry abt,infact many of d prominent indians wer atheist,jawahar lal nehru,bhagat singh founder of hindu nationalism veer savarkar happened to be an atheist,so u cn just imagine being atheists in india is absolutely normal

  78. Good to see atheists from Pakistan. I am also one of you. My strong thrust of finding true path of god finally ended up in atheism. my sincere request to Muslim in blog is to study islam i hope you can be release from prison of islam if you are intelligent.
    I just made an account on facebook ( Ex Muslims Of Pakistan) you all are welcome there.

  79. Hey there guys, another one to shake hand with. I am an Agnostic and working out many of these question as well. Never know where the reasoning and evidence will take me to but any way, I do doubt existence of God. Looking for some platform in Pakistan where we can get together and have healthy debates. Take car All

  80. Like most I find myself here as the result of a google search. Many multimillion dollar international corporations would love to have the searchability of this simple blog, so kudos, friend.

    I am Pakistani born, western raised and an open and forward atheist. It is not the entrenchment of conservative Islamic values in Pakistan that concerns me so much as the oppression of secular opinion. It is as if the mullahs know that open discussion of religious beliefs will lessen their grip on the uneducated and indoctrinated masses.

    All I can hope is that those of you in Pakistan do what you can to form some sort of community and public face if it is possible without endangering your lives. If Pakistan wishes to bear the fruits of modernity it must first shed its umbilical connection to a tradition that has been manipulated by those corrupt with power. There are modern islamic nations — while our kin in the middle east progress towards a brighter future our own wallow in the mire of ignorance and fear.

  81. hello, since you all rejected islam or GOD, but i have a question that what if the hell fire is real, will you people be able to bear that ????

  82. I am an ex-muslim….well even that is arguable as Pakistan already made my family non-muslims in the 70’s (My family is Ahmedi). I feel, as so many others do, relieved that there are other Atheists in Pakistan. What I also wanted to say was that I have actually been reading a lot of books about atheism and while almost all of them are written from the perspective of Christian societies, they are extremely enlightening. If you haven’t already then I definitely think reading Bertrand Russell, Richard Dawkins or even Omer Khayyam will be a positive experience for everyone here.

  83. I myself am an Athiest originally raised in Pakistan and now living a free life as a Canadian citizen.

    First of all, I completely empathize with the claustrophibic atmoshpere of Pakistan’s religious mindset. There is absolutely no tolerance for free thinkers and athiests (if I remember correctly, in 2006 the religious governing parties tried to impose a law calling for apostates to receive the death penalty). While I lived there, only my brother and my closest friends were aware of my inclinations.

    Secondly, I am appalled at some of the comments here from non-athiest posters…”salh” for example states “you people have no right to exist”. It is intolerance such as this that gives athiests fearful of revealing themselves publicly.

    Whereas I am not a believer, I do not go out of my way to talk down about people of faith. My girlfriend happens to be Catholic and very happy in her beliefs. If one’s faith or lack of faith keeps one content and does not entail hurting another person then the matter should be personal to that individual and nobody else’s business.

    I commend the original poster for taking the time to put this out. You are not alone.


    A fellow free-thinker.

  84. I am just like you, “a closet atheist” from Pakistan. People may ask why I don’t believe in a God. My answer would be, “Why should I?” Good to see someone out there.

  85. http://www.faithfreedom.org
    Consider this website as the best gift you guys will ever release. I am so impressed by you guys. It takes alot of courage to stand agianst teh corruption of islam where punishment of leaving islam is death. I mean that alone should be a good logical reason to realize that this religion cannot be true.
    The site above might be banned in pakistan. Which is no surprise because it is neccesary for islam’s survival that they keep all other text out fo muslims reach.In that case you will need help of some computer experts. But I know there are ways around it.
    Good luck in your mission to free pakistan from teh chains of islam. A religion that was imposed on our forefathers by crazy radicals jihadist.

  86. I am a kind of athiest ,,,,,,,,, still pray 5 times adays ,,,,,,,,,,,,, so that one day I find god …… who ever created me …………. Salam to all

  87. I stopped believing in religious BS a long time ago…..and when I told the few friends I had about this,they chose not to talk to me any more and treated me like I was some kind of sub-human whore(BTW I was only 15 then)……It kindda feels good to know that someone in Pakistan has enough balls to post this….. 🙂

  88. i am an atheist and proud of it. i know i have the guts to question i have the mind to analyze. atheist by the way are less racist, dogmatic and authoritarian. atheist societies have less crime rate. i believe i am not answerable to the unseen but myself. hence i am morally and ethically sound..everyone one has the right to chose and right to practice his belief if it is not harming anyone… tolerance and acceptance take one a long way…

  89. I Invite all of you to read the Holy Quran, All of your questions will be answered and any confusion will be removed. This universe is created by Allah to judge us. Have you ever thought that how can such a perfect system be held without any planning.Is it a coincidence?????????????
    Pls read the translation of the Holy Quran.

  90. i am Pakistani & i was athiest bt not now cuz i know the real fact of this life & world there is only one god Named Allah, there is no big bang out there & if there was the big bang then how is that worked

  91. hye i am an athiest . just want us to make a community , a union , an army to make pakistan free of the poison of religion what do you people say

  92. i am very disaponted aftr reading comments nd persnly obsrving dat many pakisyani youngsters are being Atheist! how this is possible that a muslim can leave islam i am sure u guys are not from a true islamic family. Islam which is not only a religion it is a complete code of Life. Allah is the super Power, Allah is creator of we humans,this Universe and also of That which we cant see nd Imagine!
    i had many conversations with athiest from all over the world but coudnt asnwrd with just one simple question that “how this world is created” if u guys follow big bang theory or any othr this type theory then why these are theories why there are so much objections on these theories. You pepl cant challenge dat this World is Created By ALLAH who is one nd will remain for ever..
    i think you guys are diturbd by the Mulla Islam.. so guys think Islam is a hard religion to obey. there are very difficult rules of islam to obey etc but guys Islam is very Simple Religion. It is very easy to obey for those whose faith is pure. Allah is RAB UL AALIMEEN.. He has Power to do Any Thing.
    Being A Muslim Its my Duty To Suggest You Guys
    now its over You pepl come nd join us or wait for the dark side of Grave where each and every thing will b cleared
    Thanks for Reading

    ,IAM A PAKISTANI ATHEIST.SINCE MY CHILDHOOD I HAVE COME ACROSS WITH RELIGIOUS DRAMA OF MY SURROUNDINGS AND THE WAY RELIGIOUS CLERICS ARE IN ALIGHNMENT WITH RULING ELIE OF THIS COUNTRY.men are enslaved by the dogma and in their quest to furnish answer for a suitable living after death they keep themselves clinging to both islam and prophet.all religions are men made,the principal culprit was a man who under the fallicious emotions of heart introduced god.in our country, you cannot even think of rejecting god manifestly as the reward for such an opennes is excommunication of your family.we come and go,without knowing the source of this arrival and

    flight.i hate all christans,muslims,hindus.and jews, and love only those who claim to be men not belonging to any creed or faith.

    but love all those who claim to be men to any creed

  94. So tell me mister what makes U think u r an atheist?? prove that there’s no ALLAH sorry for not saying god because i personally believe that there is no god…

  95. Its a great pleasure to know that people like you exist in Pakistan. I’m from the lower tip of India,Kerala. The number of atheists will increase as education spreads. In fact just search for “Demographics of Atheism” in google, you can see the relation between the belief in god and development of the nation.

  96. This is way cool. I just randomly wrote down Pakistani atheist on Google and this came up. Real nice to see like minded people who instead of basing their life on a book of old tales base their lives on reason and logic. I personally think that 90 % of Pakistani youth is atheist themselves but they just don’t know it as yet. They find the whole idea of denying God to big and scary, like one of my muslim friend said, ” if you’r right than that means that we’ll all just die but if i’m right you are in a world of pain “. They want to believe in God because they cant imagine life without it though deep down i’m sure they know that the idea of God is deeply flawed

  97. Hey I’m a closet Agnostic. I’m so excited to see all these people here!!! 🙂 Is there somewhere on Facebook we can all get together in secret???

  98. Hey , I am another atheist (ex-muslim) from Pakistan and same as you , I cannot declare my apostasy …… I discussed with many muslims the concept of god with good care , so they dont doubt that I have stopped believing …….. all muslims will claim that islam has all proofs that it is true and god exists…..but they suddenly start repeating the statement like “its matter of faith” when questions are asked……

  99. Oh my god!!! this is a pathetic site of unbelievers! I’m a firm Muslim who believes in Allah and the Day of Judegement with all certainty. Why dont u guys read the Quran’s translation?! U’ll find all your answers there….Beware, Reform yourself, turn to Allah alone in true repentance otherwise u all will have to sepend ur eternal lives burning ceaselessly in hell!!!

  100. Hey, I googled for such terms and found this page. Glad to know that there are more atheists or people who respect others’ beliefs in Pak. I left my religion 2 years ago. I may not be an atheist or an atheist yet but I’m not a Muslim anymore. I’m more like an agnostic but I like atheists. I know what you mean. There is no freedom of speech here so it’s very hard to be an openly atheist in Pak because of the majority. Even if the government allows the freedom of speech, the extremists are a danger to atheists and even people with other sexualities. I wish it could change.

  101. Being an atheist is the rage these days. And that’s understandable since the loopholes in the Islamic system today make atheism far more comfortable than being a confused muslim. But i believe it’s far more daring to believe that your senses, your sight, your sense of smell, hearing are not the end-all and that there Is a great being than yourself. Believing That is a leap of faith that well-read and well-socialized people like yourself would find hard to make. I think you’ve made the first step of detaching yourself from doctrine but now instead of finding and creating it again, you’ve decided to escape entirely into a new system which is easy yet cyclical. For me, personally, just knowing that i can lose my sight any day, my sanity or just my balance whilst walking is reason enough to know that i am not enough. I feel i am held together because of some Great generosity.

  102. wow you guys are pretty brave being an atheist in america is pretty easy if you live in the intellectual yankee north its only hard in the uneducated redneck bible thumpin racist war mongering south…but you guys are brave..hope pakistan ends sharia and protects you guys when you come out..and remember that if humanity survives and countinues to progress and never regress..that we will own the 22nd century and probably control a large portion of the last half of this century so we may end up having complete control and we already own the scientists i hope that is comforting in some way
    Also know that in evrey country observed while becomiing more secular has also become less violent less crime higher standereds of living etc. so keep fighting for your rights hopefully someday the faiths of abraham will be crushed and chinease and humanist philosophys will prevail

    YOU Should all look up secualr humanism

  103. Honestly, I am surprised how non believers could breath in Pakistan let alone live. I salute all those who do have their minds and beliefs. I have much on my mind and would like someone to share that, perhaps even comment but so far no one has replied to my request.

  104. if you design a robot someday (i hope you really do) and program it not to understand certain things that you dont want him to… that means it will be out of the scope for it…
    likewise its out of scope of humans to realize the existence of ALMIGHTY ALLAH…

  105. awesome sauce! so i guess i could call myself an ex-muslim, but not an atheist, since i realized that evolution and creationism are not mutually exclusive. would love to chat with any and all pakistani atheists out there. make a fb group or something.

  106. O……The Group of Athiest.!
    Why you have erased my comments. I am again repeating my comments.

    O………the Group of atheist…….. Your disease is not new……..it is very old disease.
    I know that your “Atheism” stands totally on Five senses. The things which could come in the orbit of these 5-Senses, you would accept, otherwise reject. Am I right??? But I want to remind you about another thing which you have been given……….it is your “Power of analytical thinking Process”. I would advise you that you should use this power keenly and sincerely and than decide about “Atheism” otherwise you would be like animals. Because animals also have these 5-senses in their use.

    I want to put a simple example before you:-
    Suppose there is a place in the world like “Fiji” but you have not visited it nor you could feel it with your 5-Senses. But you believe its existence in the world because you have listened about it from many sources. Surely you would believe.

    My question is why don’t you believe in God when you have been informed about his existence from:
    1) Thousands of very very pious men, very very True
    persons having no personal objectives i.e.,……….
    2) More than 95% human beings (related to every
    religion) in the world inform you about the existence of
    3) There are many events in the world which could not be
    felt with 5-Senses.
    Otherwise a very Terrible HELL would wait for you.

    Think……….. If there would be really a HELL than what would you do.

  107. Hey Guys I m from India I also become happy to know About guys
    Really its Religion which make our self divided other wise we will live without and Problem

  108. think about that…..
    why every specie is created with so much perfection….who created them…if u study biology just look at your self….how ur nails grow and u cut them…

    if god has given u the power of thinking…
    how far can u think about the creation and existence of god????

    world’s greatest scientist,biologists, are not atheists?????

    till now science has not invented any technique which can completely stop agying ;which ultimately lead to death…and in your life span its not possible for such medicine or genetic transformation to built…so why remain an atheist???where death is an ultimate reality for the future world as well????

    • dear blogger if u r truely an atheist with courage to be criticized…
      then dont delete my comments let them discussed and defend them..
      if u delete them it will just mean that u people are weak emotional decision makers…
      changing your lives by just looking at the modern wold??????
      think before deleting my comments!!!!!

  109. Well m from Pakistan as well… Islam, is not a religfion refers to a state of peace thus stop confusing it with religion. Allah.refers to a system not an individual entity thus if you r saying Allah is with you it means u believe the system is with you. Atheism is a thought not a belief or a religion.. thus being atheist is not a crime is a freedom of choice….

  110. another atheist from pakistan!!!was overjoyed to see such a community,,,,i no more feel alone,,i believe that man is not a creation of god but god is the creation of man.

  111. Glad to know that you are an atheist in a country where majority of Muslim live and honestly they are very hard and absolutely wrong in religious tolerance that is a bullshit… Abrar Hussain

  112. Atheist belief holders in my experience, are victim of frustration and anxiety. They are all those people who have spent most of the time in seclusion without friends and family.

  113. Inside Media Propaganda
    As you see, claims about human evolution have been found to be baseless, even by those who played personal roles in their elaboration. The claims are not founded on science, but on the belief and prejudice that shaped the theory. Interestingly, none of these “admissions” from the world of paleontology has been reported in the media. On the contrary, a few media organizations carefully hide the dilemma that Darwinism has come up against and instill the deception that new proofs for evolution are discovered every day. Jonathan Wells, an American biologist, received two Ph.D.s, one from Yale University, and one from the University of California at Berkeley. In his 2000 book, Icons of Evolution, he outlines this propaganda mechanism:
    The general public is rarely informed of the deep-seated uncertainty about human origins that is reflected in these statements by scientific experts. Instead, we are simply fed the latest version of somebody’s theory, without being told that paleoanthropologists themselves cannot agree over it. And typically, the theory is illustrated with fanciful drawings of cave men, or human actors wearing heavy makeup… It seems that never in the field of science have so many based so much on so little. 38
    Media organizations defending Darwinism claim in their headlines that “human evolution is now a proven fact.” But who are the scientists writing in newspapers and appearing on television to make these groundless claims? Why do they disagree with those scientists who think that paleoanthropology is unfounded?
    In a speech given at a meeting of the Biology Teachers Association of South Australia, evolutionist Greg Kirby explained their psychology:
    If you were to spend your life picking up bones and finding little fragments of head and little fragments of jaw, there’s a very strong desire there to exaggerate the importance of those fragments. . . 39
    These are some of the factors that keep the myth of human evolution alive, even though it has evidently found no scientific support. And every new fossil discovered thrusts the evolutionist thesis about human origins deeper into doubt.

  114. I’m a Pakistani atheist too. Just googled today out of curiosity and found this blog. Wish more people could come out of the closet!

    Cheers to free thinkers

  115. I am 30 and married to a devout Muslim wife (just like Porus Paswal mentioned) I was a devout religious person as well. for the past many years. I am an engineer and an MBA, can do logical reasoning in the light of facts and science, may be that is turning me away from religion. Last year I started reading/listening tafseer (explanation) of Quraan to strengthen my faith but it made me an Atheist day by day.

    Living with my extremely religious wife is getting difficult for me. I have a 5 months old kid who will be trained to be a devout Muslim by my wife I know. I have not been able to gather my guts and discuss about my Atheism yet with anyone including my wife.

  116. i too am an ex muslim atheist. my family however are deeply conservative and religious so i am not in a position to “come out” as such. the only thing stopping me is that the news would probably kill my parents. my wife too is religious but i intend to educate my children when they are old enough to understand.

  117. Fortza Shi Putere Frate! Strength and Honor my friend! I am a Romanian Atheist, my family is very a very devout Christian family, but hey have accepted me as I am. I argue with the local Orthodox priests and have made friends with some despite being an Atheist. I wish that Pakistan were a more tolerant country when it comes to rational thought and skepticism. Religion is a scourge on mankind, I hope that one day it will be history, and all people of the earth will consider religion mere mythology. What religionists don’t know and will not admit is the fact that an Atheist doesn’t mean that the person is evil, that he is a lifeless hedonist who hurts others for his base pleasures. You can raise children in a rational manner AND instill in them solid moral values. Also, being a patriot of your country and language and the place you were born in can exist without religion. You can love your language and culture without devoting yourself to the religion of the land. I wish you all the best, my fellow Atheist.

  118. Hey I am an atheist too, in the closet of course. I cant just make my mind to believe in an allah that punishes his creatures for not believing him or an invader prophet like muhammad ……….BTW I m 19 , became agnostic at 14 and i am an atheist now. I Just hope that atheists in Pakistan stand up to defend their country from this destructive, evil and violent religion. Thanks

  119. I am an Ex-Athiest who is a Muslim and living in Canada. First of all, you cant disprove that there is a God. However, neither can you prove it. I have thought about the question of God’s visibility to humans and found a logical way to answer it. Given God does show Himself, will it make you a believer? Not necessarily. Why? Because by God making Himself visible, in the end, there would be same amount of people entering Heaven or Hell that by making Himself non-visible or visible. In case of visible, there would be something else you would loose that you have right now if you needed to see God. It would be a give or take situation with the same end result.[given probability of any person entering heaven or hell would be same under both scenarios]. Now my second question to Athiests is of Time. Does Time exist? According to General Theory of Relativity time does not exist but is a relative measure to which we live our lives. In Islam, however Time does not exist. Proof: Given God created Time at some particular time would not make sense. What has happening before God created Time? Indeed God was there before He created Time, and as long as He was there, there was Time. Time is absolute because God is absolute. Since God knows the past, the present and the future due to definition of a God. Therefore, given God has only information of past, then He also has information of present and the future. That is, Time in Godly sense would not exist because a God with information of past would not need to wait for present or future to know events that were to occur, this is all due to definition of God. Therefore God does not need Time, but we do, since we are not eternal. End

  120. I am living in Peshawar I am Pashtoon and i am Atheist. I want to mention that thousand of Atheist living in FATA and KP. I have a lot of problems in the my living place, sometime i have very crustal when some one discussing me on God. I am not prying therefore i have a lot of problems in my city communities, On daily basis many Tablighi come to me and convincing me to come Mosques. i never share my view, but some time they assume from my discussion
    i don’t know there are no place for those who not believe on God.
    Khan Gul

    • I am also from Peshawar, Why you need to public your view just keep it with you and leave the fools live there way (Horrible life).

    I’M 28 & EMPLOYED

  122. my name is faisal i have a same thinking as you have .
    i lost many thing but i diddnt get anything from the god
    i pray a lot but everything is useless now i realize
    i m with you
    tell me where i can come or connect to share my thoughts

  123. hello, i am Pakistani. in my locality freedom of expression means to be murdered.i have been in search of free thinkers. i a
    m really to find this blog

  124. People are not cowards but are being careful as they families to mind. Those who have spoken outwardly, perhaps, are independent and have no fear of reprecussions on their families. There are many Jews who live among Muslim majorty population; no one seems to know about the Jews among themselves.

  125. With the name of Allah,Who is the most Beneficent and Merciful!I am a novelist and with grace of God I am a Monotheist and Muslim.Believing on God doesn’t makes anyone rich,comfortable and luxurious.And no one will believe on God if Hindu says,”Hello!come with me to pray in temple” nor Muslim will say,”hello!Come with me to worship in mosque”,but the Existence of God doesn’t depend upon religion,but our existence depend upon the Existence of God.God woe unto such people And I feel really sad for those people who are educated and are still Atheist.Those who also know the General relativity,time,space and Quantum then they may know the particle.We can’t live if we don’t breath then a particles are needed for us to live if we can’t live without a tiny particle,how this big and tremendous universe is working without God.If your father beats you,you will say that he is not your father?Wrong.In people,God doesn’t live,In religion God doesn’t live but in heart God lives.Think again and again and please make sure you have heart.Because Existence of something is not realized when you see it,it is realized when you feel it in your heart because your eye is not big enough to see everything and heart can see such things that eye couldn’t have imagined of.
    Your Sincerely,
    Shahr bano

  126. With the name of Allah,Who is the most Beneficent and Merciful!I am a novelist and with grace of God I am a Monotheist and Muslim.Believing on God doesn’t makes anyone rich,comfortable and luxurious.And no one will believe on God if Hindu says,”Hello!come with me to pray in temple” nor Muslim will say,”hello!Come with me to worship in mosque”,but the Existence of God doesn’t depend upon religion,but our existence depend upon the Existence of God.God woe unto such people And I feel really sad for those people who are educated and are still Atheist.Those who also know the General relativity,time,space and Quantum then they may know the particle.We can’t live if we don’t breath then a particles are needed for us to live if we can’t live without a tiny particle,how this big and tremendous universe is working without God.If your father beats you,you will say that he is not your father?Wrong.In people,God doesn’t live,In religion God doesn’t live but in heart God lives.Think again and again and please make sure you have heart.Because Existence of something is not realized when you see it,it is realized when you feel it in your heart because your eye is not big enough to see everything and heart can see such things that eye couldn’t have imagined of.
    Your Sincerely,
    Shahr bano

  127. Shahr bano
    Please don’t be sad for atheists, we are intellectuals and educated people. Believe me, that’s part of the reason we are atheists.
    As a matter of fact, all atheists are well educated.
    From what I assume, you don’t really know what you are talking about, the quantum and theoretical physics stuff , it’s all about how the universe can come to existence on it’s own. Nothing supernatural is needed for the existence of matter.
    My heart is fully contented with the things I can understand, my heart can’t be satisfied with things that don’t make sence.
    Funny thing is, your heart and even your brain didn’t come by the knowledge of existence of any god just by feeling or thinking on it self. Your parents had to brainwash your mind for that.
    No, my father won’t make me a disabled person by birth. How about yours ?

    By the way, what’s the name of your novel. What’s it about

  128. people who wants to cross any legal and religious boundaries, they become atheist.. its nothing to do with the God and religion because religion make some boundaries for people for their sake

  129. Word of advise, do not contact any person asking you to add you to their personal e-mail adresses/ Pakistan is a dangerous country, you never know if some self-righteous bigot is trying to get your personal info and then get you into trouble! Stay safe…I’m not an athiest but I think I’m turning agnostic

  130. Just once wouldn’t you love for someone to simply show you the evidence for God’s existence? No arm-twisting. No statements of, “You just have to believe.” Well, here is an attempt to candidly offer some of the reasons which suggest that God exists.

    But first consider this. When it comes to the possibility of God’s existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, “You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you.”2 Before you look at the facts surrounding God’s existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him? Here then, are some reasons to consider…
    1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

    Many examples showing God’s design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

    The Earth…its size is perfect. The Earth’s size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth’s surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
    The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth’s position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
    And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

    Water…colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You’ll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

    It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
    Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that various chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

    Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

    Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

    Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

    Ninety-seven percent of the Earth’s water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.
    The human brain…simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.
    The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

    The eye…can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages — simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain — the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.
    2. Does God exist? The universe had a start – what caused it?

    Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself.
    Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, “The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion…The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen.”9

    Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, “the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade…and the universe was filled with light.”10

    The universe has not always existed. It had a start…what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.
    3. Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?

    Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn’t change — on earth or in galaxies far from us.

    How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

    “The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn’t have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence.”11

    Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, “Why nature is mathematical is a mystery…The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle.”
    All instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It’s made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!!

    Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.
    Why is this so amazing? One has to ask….how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person’s body should develop.

    Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.
    I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don’t believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people…to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.

  131. I can,t call myself a pure atheist but i am a secular and very open minded ,irreligious person who is lived abroad in a secular and atheistic society .I hope one day Pakistan will become a open minded and secular society where everyone will be free to express his beliefs. Believing in a religion doesn’t makes you a superior person after all religion is something really personal .Our leader ma Jinnah was a secular person and he opted a secular Pakistan but in 1956 we made it an islamic republic .I hope soon we will get rid of our huge illiterate population of mullahs who are causing problems for us.

  132. I’d love to learn your story if you are interested (the blogger, but really, all of you). I’m a U.S. journalist coming to Pakistan to write about religious issues. Thanks.

  133. First u want to convince me with the existence of God by using twisted logic and philosophy, After that u want to hijack my mind to make me believe in absurd and irrational fairy tales of Adam, Noah Arc and eternal torture for the unbelievers…. I am not falling for it. the God which u believe in simply doesnt exist your God is truly a satan and the God of atheists is much bigger, more tolerant, self evident and logical than what is presented by any religion on earth our God is simply the law of this nature and universe which is very beautiful and more loving and the one who dont need any worshiping, sacrifice or ethnic killing and has no egoistic problems with unbelievers and who is simply not interested to torture humans after death just for not believing in him… U see our God bigger than your demonic deity. our god can never be offended but yours is and will always be offended by some people just because they dont have faith in him …..

  134. @Shahr abno Man has traveled through the moon and is still keep discovering things, man has changed the world, creating earthquake proof skyscrapers, shortened the world by inventing planes and jets and rockets and still you say that our eyes are not big enough to see anything? You can’t imagine what the world is gonna be after another century as science is evolving like a giant. There is no need to live with these religion fantasies in today’s advanced world.

    The reason why I’m convinced that there is no such thing as god is the scripture (quran) of this religion itself.

    The fact is Quran is a very ambiguous to say the least. It contradicts itself a lot. If you talk to the Mullah-apologists regarding this he will say that the wrong kind of muslims …. which means everyone else but him …. misinterpret the verses of the Quran. Some verses are to be taken literally, some are to be taken in context of the verses before and after it, some are to be taken in the context of the situation in which they are revealed, some in the context of the times of the Prophet (marriage to a minor and slavery are explained using this trump card) and yet some have metaphorical meanings and are not to be taken in the literal sense. Here comes the problem, which verse is to be interpreted in which way. Apparently no one knows for sure. Each sect, mullah, militant group, suicide bomber makes up his own mind as how to interpret it. Then there is the hadith, that’s a whole different can of worms that is far more complex in interpretations.
    This is the thing that makes Islam amorphous. If the Quran is as complete and as absolute as it is portrayed to be, then why is there room for so much variation? If Allah was all powerful, all knowing, all wise he would have seen the conundrum his words would have caused. Why couldn’t he just say in clear words listen these are the dos and these are the don’ts? Did Allah deliberately cause this confusion, in that case he is a sadistic bastard, or did he not know what this was actually going to cause, not something that would look good on an all powerful creator. Or was it man made and like all religions most of the stuff had to be kept ambiguous enough to allow it to be bent so that the masses can be controlled.
    I think Islam needs a proper command and control structure of sorts. Like the Vatican Church, Islam needs a centralized authority that every Muslim adheres to (or two or three for different sects but not more than that). Issues pertaining to incorrect interpretation of Koran can be checked. Just like the Vatican kept some of the rules of traditional Christianity out, this centralized body can keep stuff like jihad, child marriages in check. It would put a leash on Islam and that is precisely what is needed. Get Islam in some solid state.

    Some other loopholes in quran:

    Let us consider the direction of kaba. Since the earth is round, facing towards kaba for offering prayer doesn’t make any sense at all. For instance, let us take an example of a guy offering prayer in America, but here comes the problem. Considering the fact that the kaba is located completely on the opposite side of the world, what’s the point in offering prayer towards kaba which is completely on the opposite direction? Let me answer this: 1500 years ago it was believed that the earth is FLAT and it also reflects from the quran in verse 79:30!

    Here comes the funniest one! In the verse (He created the sky without any pillars that ye can see – 31:10), the prophet would’ve thought that the sky is a roof and it would need some pillars to stand over but because of god’s miracle, it’s lying freely. (WTF!)
    However, all knows that the sky is not an OBJECT, it’s space!

    • Sky is a space???u touch it? Or have u any snap that shows that sky is space not a hard pan?…..just differntiate between the space and sky (the limit or boundry)

      islam have no sects Mr .Muslims have sects.so not the fault of islam ..

    • Kaba is the center of the world ..let me tell one thing direction doesnt matter prayer matter direction shows just physical unity of muslim only …worship for the ALlah not for any direction or itself kabaa building

  135. I too am orginally from Pakistan, and I respect that you are an Atheist, even though I, myself am not one (kinda googled it for simply the sake of googling it). Now, I am only 13 and I am still – I guess you could say – “learning”, so don’t pick on me to “get my facts right!” or anything within those lines. I just feel the need to point out that a majority of you guys seems to refer to non-Atheists, or Muslims as uneducated, or morons who go by Quran. I mean, maybe some Muslims haven’t treated you well solely because of the fact that you are an Atheist, but if you are going to give us names for our religion, isn’t that kinda just feeding the fire? I was hoping for mutual respect. It makes me – and I’m sorry to say – doubt whether I really SHOULD respect you. Sad, ridiculous, cowards; these are all examples of what I have read. Perhaps you should refrain from doing what you’re telling others not to do, because, honestly, it’s not giving off a very good message. (I will not be here to check any replies, so please don’t bother.)

    • AND please just let each other be. Just let everyone follow which ever path they choose for themselves, because ultimately, it IS their choice.
      Good day~

  136. HOLY SHIT! :O
    Too Many Atheist in Pakistan 😀

    I’m and ex-Christian.
    Glad to know that there are reasoning people in Pakistan.

    Cheers, Fellow Atheists! 🙂

    Let’s make a community

  137. Well Im not an Athiest, but I do believe that one should not question others beliefs. That is the problem in our country Pakistan, if a person doesn’t like to pray, should he be murdered? No! If its Islam or any other religion, it is definately not permisable to do such a thing. Every peson has the right to do whatever the heck they want. I wish that one day the people of Pakistan start thinking differently.

  138. If hordes of Pakistani women who do not believe in Allah came out of the closet, and became openly atheist, Islam will collapse and mental slavery will be abolished. Think about it…a true Qari’-ah for the mullahs.

  139. Much love from a fellow atheist from India. Let’s spread the movement. I believe the most important thing is that children (till the age of say 15-16) shouldn’t be brainwashed or coaxed into something. Let them know what others think and choose whatever they feel like. Religion causes nothing but war.

  140. It should not be much difficult to know the reality of the universe, the reality of the world and the reality our own selves. To reach to reality, anyone needs two elements: the quest to know the reality and a mind free from prejudices. Of the two, the second is more important because if you are prejudiced against a certain idea, you won’t accept it even if something logical supporting it comes before you. You will pay no attention to it, or try to counter it quickly with already set beliefs so that you won’t have to change your set beliefs, whatever they are.

    A vast majority of people living on this earth lives this way: not challenging their set beliefs about religion. And let me tell you that atheism is also a religion because it dictates you a theory about God. And like every religious people on this earth, atheists also do the same thing, trying to vehemently support their ideas or their version about religion. So practically there is no difference between atheism and other religious people in how they behave to support their ideas. Both behave in a worldly manner, rather than in a universal manner. There is difference between the two realities.

    I pronounce again that there is difference between the worldly reality and universal reality. Our worldly reality is play of our own mind. To whatever way or direction we put our mind to, it starts to form our reality in that way. But that reality may or may not match with the universal reality. Consider, for example, a religious cult in America a few decade ago believed that if they committed suicide at the time of appearance of the comet Hale Bopp, they will go to heaven. The cult actually did that. The rest of the world observed and lamented over their deaths and groundless religious idea. So obviously, their thoughts and beliefs led them to suicide. So this is how our mind works.

    The interesting thing to observe in this world that there are countless religions here, including atheism and everyone says with stubborn conviction that he or she is right and everyone else is wrong. Why is it so? Again the play of minds that make us think and believe so. So it is important to understand that our mind keeps playing tricks with us and we consider it true. Those who have spent over three decades in this world would appreciate the point that our perceptions change our time. You can sit alone and think just how many times you were deceived by wrong perception. You perceived a thing in one way but later on it proved to be the other way. This is because you were tricked by your mind; you could not see reality because your mind was working with some wrong notions and ideas and it acted that way.

    So my point is that we cannot see reality clearly at the level of mind. We will have to know reality at another dimension and that dimension is the dimension of spirit (or soul) available to us.

    Some people may say that we do not believe in spirit because science cannot prove it. But there are so many things science cannot prove. Can science measure the difference in the levels of pain of two persons? Can science tell us what is inside or beyond a dark whole? Can science tell us what is dark energy? Scientists tell us that there is no chance to know the mystery of dark holes and dark energy. Scientists previously believed that the speed of light is the greatest in the universe but even that is being proven wrong. The mystery of consciousness of man is still unknown.

    Take the example of dark energy or dark particles. Scientists have assumed its existence but cannot prove it because it is not observable. Despite that, scientists have assumed its existence because if they don’t assume its existence, then the whole knowledge of physics (law of gravity) collapses down. If someone is truly an atheist, then he or she should not believe in science any longer because scientists are making an assumption which they cannot prove and they admit it.

    So when it comes to science, scientists don’t hesitate to make assumptions to reach to a conclusion and coin numerous theories. But when it comes to existence of God, a stubborn attitude is shown that since we cannot see God, therefore we don’t believe in His existence even if we have indications that the universe exists by design and seem to have no other answer to what we observe through science.

    Science can only tell us what it can observe and measure. Moreover, it can never tell us why something exists or where it has come from (for instance, different chemicals, energies of gravity, sound, light, etc).But We have human intellect that can understand or comprehend the existence of things, processes beyond what an eye can see.
    For instance, look at the bizarre nature of this world and humans, which also contradicts theory of evolution. The theory of evolution says that we were biologically developed from fish and apes. So there exists a chain and genetic continuity. But see the difference between human beings and the rest of species. Every species follows a biological life pattern which they have to follow: they have no choice. All other species show patterns except humans which have the will to form their own life patterns. Why is so? If we would have evolved from patterned specie, then we should also have some life patterns which we would have been forced to follow by the mother nature so that we cannot destroy our own creator: mother nature. But it is not the case. We can make choices, even those that can destroy our entire race and even the earth. Other species do not have such choices. So it seems that we human are odd man out. So this clearly shows that we are different from the mother nature: the universe. We are not the product of this universe. Rather, we seem to have been implanted in this universe from somewhere else. We have popped in this earth out of nowhere because if had been the product of this universe, we had been a perfect match with it but we are not in the sense we are operating very differently from the rest of the universe. Has anyone pondered over it and wondered why it is so? Is someone going to solve this riddle scientifically that who we are and where we have come from?

    Moreover, can science explain that why do human beings have desires? The rest of the universe does not work on desires; rather, it shows a pattern to which it seems to have been bounded. It seems to have no other option. We, the humans, are the unique in the whole universe. We have desires, greed, ego and the ability to know right and wrong, and on top of that, we have the ability to make decisions to choose our path.

    Moreover, why we know that justice to the brutalities of many people cannot be made in this world. For instance, the justice to a person murdering one hundred people cannot be made in this world because he can only be hanged once and not hundred times. Why it is clear to us that people not feeling answerable to a Higher Being would be in a hurry to plunder and commit crimes and sin of the nature to which they are tempted because of their belief that they have to live only once and that is all.

    These oddities are enough to make us understand the realities and answer the questions people keep asking about our life purpose and the existence of God provided that we are not prejudiced, stubborn-minded and egoist.

  141. Thank God, I am not the only guy(wait, did I say god?) I am just another closet atheist (my parents know that I don’t have much belief in god, but i have never stated anything explicitly) and living in Pakistan. I do love my country and most people here, but Islam and Pakistan needs some serious reform, if we as a country want to thrive. I was practicing Islam for some time, but later i found that islam doesnt give room for development as a person. i really tried hard because i was thinking that islam was my identity and i did not want to lose it. I was confused for some time, but it was all clear at the end. for inspiration i was on Malcom X for some time. I can really relate to his ideas and his fight with islam.

  142. Great discussion guys!

    It’s tough to think freely and be open about it when so many of our family members and friends are brainwashed into thinking it is the true belief. Regrettably, they are like sheep. There is no room for discussion with this kind of mentality.

    From a logical point of view, Islam makes no sense. It can be countered in so many ways. All modern day propagators suffer from severe validation bias – they’ll try any and every method to validate their belief so it is still relevant today, even though they are often making things up!! E.g Big bang theory in Quran. Laughable.

    When I’m older and have less to lose, I hope to write a book on this one day. At the moment, even living in the UK, it feels impossible to express these feelings without being severely ostracised and alienated!

    On another note, I’m fiercely proud of my heritage and Indo-Aryan ancestry and even more broadly speaking, Aryan ancestry.

    It therefore saddens me that we have accepted a religion that was not even created by one of our own, and imported from a different region. We are a proud people that should never have accepted this!

    The irony is, Muhammad was an alpha male, and we now need alpha males to get our own people out of this mess.

    Almost everyone who believes in this religion created 1500 years is a coward and spineless – accepting something without questioning it.

    It takes a real man to think for himself!

    P.S – I’m not an atheist. That is a conclusion that can’t be proven (yet), and requires faith just like being a theist. And I’m referring to theist in the general sense – a power or something out there, that initiated or planned the creation of the universe.

    The only true position of no faith and that makes most sense to me is agnosticism.

  143. Mr.can u taste the air,? Can u see the air?can u touch the air?..u can just feel the air .as the GOD is.when u say No GOD ,how u are created? even a pen can’t created by itself how can humman? their is creater of pen …if u are a realistic person u have to admire that the pen cant be created by itself.how can then humman being is? If u Believe the big bang theory ,an explossion whch makes the world…then will u
    Plz tel me that an explission cause destruction or construction…?where the hell is going ur scentific concepts gone ??
    If u are born frm ur father mother mutal ,are ur
    Father and mother are engr? Process boosted up by itself? even a car cant be started with full of petrol itself .whatever the driver allow…God is every where Mr.u are educated person u put ur scentific concepts only for ur mentality ..u cant put it on On God .Allah subhaana wa taala…bye

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